PDA fae

Category: demand cup

  • Demand cup update

    I haven’t posted about how full my “demand cup” feels for a while. This is based on Tomlin Wilding’s concept here: http://tomlinwilding.com/the-demand-cup/

    Right now, living in my own home on my own provides a lot more autonomy than I’ve had in a long time. I can do things on my own terms for the most part.

    I also have the support of carers for activities of daily living, which takes a lot of demands off my plate. That’s super helpful a lot of the time, though I need to be careful it doesn’t make the demands harder to meet in the long term. If you’re struggling as a PDAer, you’ve a right to a Care Act Assessment, if you have an autism diagnosis. Talk to the PDA society enquiry line to find out more about this if you think it would help you.

    I’m managing university study – I think because this fits into my “PDA flow”. It’s a very autonomous choice to be a student, and I’m on a very autonomous degree. It’s enabling me to study areas of specific interest in depth. I find I actually study better with a bit of guidance, and structure – I actually find autodidactic learning more demanding at times, as I have to provide all the structure and content for myself. I also like knowing that my learning leads to a useful outcome.

    I’m managing to get outside a lot more than I used to. I’m trying to avoid impulsive spending, though this is a real struggle.

    All in all, for most of the time, things are going well. However, I do get times when I hit a brick wall of no demand capacity. This is particularly when trauma symptoms are bad at the moment. I’m hoping therapy and my new mental health team can help me with that over time. For right now, things can be somewhat difficult with that. Mostly though, this is an ideal living arrangement for me, that protects my demand cup from overflowing.

  • PDA lies in the accommodations needed

    Sometimes, even now with an official diagnosis, keeping this blog and my instagram, having connected with the PDA community…

    … I still sometimes doubt that I’m PDA.

    Sometimes I have quite a lot of demand capacity, and these times can last for long durations – days/weeks.

    In these times, I feel little demand anxiety. I am able to meet requests. I am unbothered, or much less noticeably bothered by the expectations of others foisted onto me.

    I can offer to do things, that I could easily avoid.

    I can meet my own expectations for myself, and my bodily needs.

    In these times, it feels unlikely that I truly have PDA.

    However, in these times, my demand cup is being emptied by something.

    It might be someone else’s support. Or getting good sleep. Or having had a restful enough period, or enough demand free time, or a reduction in anxiety. Or I am spending enough time engaging in special interests (this is my recent situation – I have been reading a lot about queerness, perception, baye’s theorem, spending a lot of time on instagram reading about autism and ADHD).

    The fact that I need these things to cope with expectations and demands is part of PDA itself.

  • Almond butter autonomy.

    It’s never a good start to a day when at 4am, after a night of pain and no sleep, you develop a craving for almond butter on toast… and have no means of having that for breakfast.

    I’m likely going to struggle to eat breakfast at all. My demand capacity is going to be quite a bit lower. It might seem odd, but a large part of that will be due to the loss of autonomy of the choice of what to eat, not pain or sleep deprivation. Of course, I’d probably cope better if my stress cup wasn’t filled by those things – see Tomlin Wilding’s page for information on ‘cups’.

    Odd as it may seem though, the simple lack of the food I actually want for breakfast – and the inability to pop to a shop beforehand to pick it up, or that it wouldn’t be listed on deliveroo groceries, is a problem. I’m already grumpy just thinking about breakfast without my autonomous choice. Nothing else is going to be a good substitute, which is not ideal when pain has already reduced my appetite.

    Sigh. I foresee a taxi ride to the nearest big supermarket today.

  • Demand cup update.

    Making one of these because recently things have changed at my supported housing in a way that may provide me with more demand capability in life.

    In short, I have been offered a ‘quid pro quo’ of I don’t demand too much of them and they will demand much less of me. As in, I just have to keep telling them I’m alive daily, and nothing else.

    That works for me, I can work with that. I like quid pro quo when it’s not corrupt, so yes, if we’re playing this game I’m happy with it. They’ve also asked me to not tell them what ‘PDAers need’ but what ‘I need’ which, sure I can play that game too. They don’t realise that’s a demand, so they’re gonna hear a lot of ‘I need you to understand that’s a demand’ in the near future.

    But what can they say? They demanded it of me. So I’m happy to become the resident broken record of the scheme for them until they learn how to help, well, PDAers.

    Ridiculous I have to do it this way when I have the diagnosis but, fine sure.

  • Low demand lifestyle?

    Am I living a low demand lifestyle? What defines low demand, and how would I tell?

    I’m not claiming I have answers to those, but it is something I want to think about – how many demands are there in my life.

    Living in “move on” supported housing creates demands, because you have to meet expectations to be considered ready to move on. Thus that prevents me from living a truly low demand life. I do have a lot more autonomy here than I had at the rehab ward though, which is good.

    There’s also demands on me because, well. My reason for needed supported housing is more along the lines of autistic skill loss/learning to cope with demand avoidance/executive function issues, than it is mental health issues related. So the support I am offered does not meet my needs, which leaves me to work out how to regain skills on my own.

    I am learning ways to approach doing things that lessens the sense of demand. Whether that’s having an algorithm as to how to tidy or clean (to remove microdemands), avoiding things until it sinks in I don’t have to do them, and other techniques I’ve mentioned on this blog before.

    I think once I am living independently I will actually be able to have a much more low demand lifestyle. I will not have anyone setting expectations on me, and can just work to my own desires – and work on not seeing expectations on myself. I will hopefully by that point be a lot more skilled at regaining skills, and coping with traits of my neurodivergence.

    So right now, I don’t quite have as low demand a lifestyle as I might benefit from, which is hard when I’m meant to be in a supportive environment. I’d suggest PDAers looking into getting this kind of support: refuse “rehab wards” for mental health if you are offered one, and be very very selective about which supported housing you accept, even if it means waiting for longer on an ATU.

  • PDAer frustrations

    Note: In the following post, I am speaking only for myself, and to my own experiences. AuDHDers may have their own experiences of AuDHD, ADHDers may again have experiences that differ from what I describe below. This is valid.

    As an adult PDAer in mental health and trauma recovery, attempting to learn the life skills that allow for functioning:

    Sometimes I really really wish I “just” had ADHD. Or even AuDHD. But not this PDA stuff.

    Not because I think ADHD/AuDHD is challenge free, or easy, or whatever.

    But because the strategies/approaches/tools/whatever you want to call them, to address the challenges that things like poor executive function, or time blindness, or even Autistic inertia cause are:

    • a lot easier to find out in the world, pre-created for you
    • a lot easier to think of for myself
    • would be a lot easier to apply without PDA, because there’s a way in which the expectation to apply the tools is a demand even as whilst it’s a desired thing
    • generally seem more reliably effective than PDA tools.

    For example, breaking down tidying into “5 things: rubbish, dishes, laundry, things with a home and things without a home” always answers the struggle of looking at a messy room and knowing what to do with it. It won’t solve any other issue (task initiation, demands, inertia etc), but that tool is a complete solve to that specific ADHD problem for me.

    Or, visual timers solve issues with estimating how long something will take, knowing how I have left to do something or how long I have to do a task for.

    Whereas managing demands, and demand capacity, is an ebb and a flow of things that works sometimes. And fail spectacularly at other times.

    If my emotion cup is empty enough. If my bodily needs are met well enough. If I’ve been able to avoid something for long enough that the sense of pressure and expectation has decreased – because I *haven’t* had to do it, I’ve been not doing it! If I have enough tools to change up how I approach tasks, to provide novelty often enough. If my mental heath is stable enough. If I am experiencing enough autonomy. Etc etc.

    I might have the demand capacity to do the thing.

    There’s no one tool for ‘having demand capacity’. It’s a whole life approach, to have that capacity just enough of the time. PDA can be very disabling, because life is inherently demanding of adults. (In children, life lacks autonomy, and this is often a bigger problem).

    And on top of that, ADHD and AuDHD are a lot easier for outside people to understand than PDA. They’re an awful lot more logical than demand anxiety is. (Or the pathological need to avoid demands, because PDAers do not agree on what underlies the avoidance – for me it seems to be demand anxiety.) That makes it hard for other people to know how to help, or worse still, feel interested in learning what helps. And worse than that, attempting to help without understanding PDA, in my experience, involves being demanding!

    So being a PDAer is… frustrating, at times, and more so than the other aspects of my neurodevelopmental differences. (It’s not more frustrating than my bipolar, which I count as one of my neurodivergences. That one is just a problem, and one I would absolutely choose not to experience.)

  • High demand capacity

    I’m having a rare day of low demand anxiety/high demand capacity. Seems slightly odd after the demand that I fix the ways I didn’t meet standards in a room inspection within three days – it has to be said yesterday that made me extremely anxious and tanked my mood.

    I guess a good 17 hour sleep was exactly what I needed in that state, after being awake for 28 hours (fairly common for me). It seems to have restored things, and I can make sense of why the things need to be done, so that helps with the demand anxiety. It also helped that when I wrote out the tasks involved, it was less than I had estimated. Also, a local autism charity offered support to get the more difficult tasks done, after I called them for support in the anxious, dysphoric state.

    What’s been really awesome though, is that I’ve had capacity for hobbies. So far today I’ve knitted a little, played a solo TTRPG called Ironsworn, and played a board game with a friend and staff at the supported housing. After writing this post, I’m going to pick back up a book I haven’t touched in over a month.

    Days like this are rare, and very treasured when they occur.

  • My demand cup, three months on

    Last time I posted about this, it was still feeling pretty small, and easily filled. I think with time, I’m slowly managing to increase the capacity of my demand cup back to the kind of volume it had pre-hospitalisation. Definitely having more autonomy over my life is helping with that. Wards are awful places for me as an ADHD PDAer… dreadfully understimulating, and total loss of autonomy. They’re necessary when I’m deep in psychosis and have no capacity (in the legal sense) and/or insight, but I hope that in future I will be discharged from them much quicker if I ever need them again. This is the advantage of supported housing, because you’re part of the community and have all the freedoms that come with that, just with some extra support.

    My emotional cup is pretty stable, which also helps. I’m not losing capacity in my demand cup because of overflowing emotion from that cup. I’ve also been taking a little demand free time recently, and it definitely helps me recuperate. The novelty of coping techniques worked well, it’s unsure yet if they only worked because they were novel or if they are long term ways to help myself cope with demands.

    When I was hypomanic, I was learning to tune into my demand anxiety for the first time – pausing to notice, how does this expectation, or requirement, make me actually feel, before undertaking the task. I believe I had learnt to dissociate from this demand anxiety, faced with the unsafety of listening to it and attempting to avoid. I learnt that demands very much do incude demand anxiety, and I had been attempting to learn how to balance this with achieving tasks, for example, I usually found I had more demand capacity in the mornings. Unfortunately, circumstances during this time meant that nearly all the communal household tasks in a shared house ended up falling on me, which overloaded me and likely contributed to my mental health crisis. That disrupted my process of learning to understand how to work with my usual demand capacity and anxiety, and rerouted me into working to regain demand capacity for the past 8.5 months. That might perhaps be a useful exercise to mindfully do again, so I can notice when my demand anxiety is higher and why. See if mornings are still an easier time to achieve tasks, and what if any other discoveries I might make.

    Something that needs work is:

    “PDAers need safe people around them, which means people who fundamentally understand that they are not giving everyone a hard time, they are not just lazy or trying to get out of helping or working, they are struggling and need even more love and support. One person is a necessity but having more than this is the only way a PDAer can really thrive.”

    (Tomlin Wilding)

    I find that as PDA is so little known, there’s very few people who get it at all. Ultimately that can feel like, because no one gets PDA, no one gets ‘me’, and that feels very lonely. Staff at my supported living are definitely a long way from understanding this, in group activities there’s often an air of ‘you’re not getting out of it, join in!’ It’s my hope that training from the PDA society might help them move to a place where they do get this, which would be a massive benefit.

  • Pretty big success

    For whatever reason, I’ve had a lot more demand capacity recently. Might be something to do with not having work at the moment (transport became untenably expensive), so I have a lot of spare time to get bored in. I’ve been trialling new strategies to help, and they’re making a real difference.

    The first thing that helped was setting a timer for five minutes and giving myself permission to stop after those five minutes if I wanted to. That was a long enough period of time that I could make a real difference in one small area of the flat. It’s a great strategy if I’ve got a middling amount of demand capacity.

    What I didn’t expect to be so effective was roleplaying being a carer. I pretended I was looking at someone else’s flat. Someone else in need of help. Looked, and thought ‘what would help you, pretend person, if I handled it today?’ Then whatever I felt I wanted dealt with was the pretend person’s ‘request’ and that just got me over the hump of demand avoidance. If I’m doing it because ‘I’m helping someone else’ in my head, it’s more like ‘Elliott the Carer’ is tackling the demand, and the threat response lowers.

    So today when I had my support session, especially given that I’d started preparing dinner beforehand, my keyworker was astounded. It was so nice that she was proud of me, but seemed to understand that there may be backwards steps after this rather than a new sustained way of being. I don’t think I’ve reached the stage yet where I will definitely sustain this way of functioning over time. I think it’s a lot more likely that I will have a good time, then a bad, in cycles.

    I think the ‘answer’ will be learning my own ebb and flow. Learning when I just can not, and allowing myself to avoid, learning how to get enough recuperation to rebuild demand capacity, and learning strategies that allow me to make progress when I’m doing a little better in terms of my demand cup.

  • Keeping house while drowning

    If you’re on tiktok, you might have come across K.C. Davis’s account, DomesticBlisters. You might even be aware of her book, ‘How to Keep House While Drowning’. Or this might be the first time you’re hearing of them.

    I’d known of them for a while, but wasn’t sure if they’d be helpful when it comes to PDA style issues with keeping house. I was persuaded to get the book when my therapist endorsed KC’s methods. KC has ADHD, and post-partum depression, and her advice feels to me as thought it’s very, very useful for those reasons to be struggling to keep house. It focuses on self-compassion and seeing care tasks (usually known as chores) as morally neutral, rather than something that defines you as good or bad. Great perspective when you’re struggling with low self-esteem, low motivation and low mood. She also has a lot of simple, clear explanations that help with poor executive functioning, e.g. her five things tidying method. This breaks a messy room into five categories: trash, laundry, dishes, things that have a place and things that do not have a place. She advises dealing with each category in turn in order to resolve a messy room. This is a brilliant antidote to the ADHD experience of looking at a messy room and seeing nowhere to begin, something I have frequently experienced.

    I do wish there was a book on keeping house for PDAers. Perhaps it would be the ‘small book of housekeeping demands’ and we’d all avoid even reading it? I feel I’d find it useful to have a resource which included strategies tailored to the PDA experience. It’s tempting to consider a goal of working towards creating that resource, as I find myself wanting to work in adult ND peer support and this would constitute a form of it.

    That sets me to thinking what would be included in such a book. I think Harry Thompson’s concept of table tops and table legs would have to be part of it. I’m not sure a PDAer would manage care tasks on a regular basis if they didn’t form a table leg towards a driving, autonomous PDA current. They are, after all, the very definition of a demand. Something you really should do, something you have to do in life. Something a PDAer is going to therefore avoid like the plague, because having to threatens our personal sense of control.

    I suppose something else I’d put a strong focus on would be outsourcing the care tasks. I would try and encourage people to be self-compassionate about needing to live in supported living, needing a carer or a house-keeper. PDAers need support in life (we all do), and perhaps drafting someone in better suited to meet those demands is the best solution. It might even be so for me, after I move out of supported living, though I’m not sure yet if I’d be allocated the funding for a carer after living here. Maybe over time that will have to be explored, because it would probably be deeply useful for me to have access to that support long term.

    Rest is something I would strongly emphasise. To be fair, KC already includes this in her book, which is good. Everyone needs and deserves rest. PDAers often have a strong need for downtime to recuperate after meeting demands, or to prepare for meeting demands. In particular, demand free time is useful. I would also talk about Tomlin Wilding’s concept of the demand cup, and the corresponding emotion cup. I would want to find some methods in which we can look after the state of both, in order to free up some demand capacity for keeping house.

    But alongside the goal of creating demand capacity for keeping house, I would echo KCs ethos that our space exists to serve us, not us our space. As a PDAer, we’re not going to want to focus all our demand capacity on housekeeping in order to keep up standards (unless, that’s where our PDA current lies, I suppose.) I would place my focus on how we can keep our space functional enough, and how we can accept ourselves and offer ourselves compassion when we just do not have the demand capacity to cope, That’s my favourite thing about KC’s approach: we’re worthy of love, support, and compassion where we are now. We don’t need to meet societal standards of tidy, hygienic, clean, perfect to be worthy. Care tasks are neutral.